PETE KALINER FACEBOOK DEBATE ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE

KR.. Ahhh how heart warming! ... As soon as same-sex marriage was brought into the conversation, both Butler and Pete were holding hands and singing kumbaya ... how touching! You've both found common ground for an aberrant sexual predilection, that trumps the right of conscience. That uses the force of gov to coerce others into validating an unhealthy and harmful sexual behavior. By promoting to our children that this aberrant sexual behavior is a safe and healthy sexual practice to engage in, or experiment with. Well done!! Nothing like consensus. Tuesday at 10:00pm · Like ·1

Blake Butler K. - thanks for calling in to the simulcast yesterday. Kathy I am against Amendment One because it discriminates. And you should look around and realize its 2012...no one is scared of homosexuals and lesbians. Except you of course, judging from the links above. Wednesday at 9:34am · Like · 1

Paula Tahan what a great idea, would love to see it every week . Wednesday at 10:08am · Like


News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] Also, look at how many computer monitors I had to use. Blake did it with just one monitor in front of him... and that was a production computer. Very impressive. :) Wednesday at 11:41am · Like · 1


Mr Butler I find it interesting that you chose to ignore the very unhealthy aspects of homosexuality. It's very telling. So tell me, what homosexual sex act do you want your children to be instructed in, in the gov schools? How about fisting, or rimming? http://biggovernment.com/tag/fistgate/ …. Little Black Book. http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html

I don't think teaching an unhealthy aberrant sexual behavior is appropriate for children to be taught in the public schools? Because once governments assert that same-sex relationships are the equivalent of marriage, those governments MUST defend and enforce a whole host of other social changes, and restrictions of freedoms. It's insane!! And I think, a danger to liberty and freedom.

Discrimination?... People discriminate continually. In your misguided and inane progressive moral superiority, you fail to realize that even you discriminate... I do it, you do it, everyone does it. You discriminate against Conservatives and... Conservatives discriminate against Progressives....and on and on. Discrimination concerning behavior, and policy is done everyday. Behavior can be controlled, if one practices self restraint, and respect for others. And to be sure, homosexuality is a behavior. Discrimination is nothing but freedom of choice concerning behavior or policy. Breitbart www.breitbart.com Breitbart Wednesday at 12:34pm · Like · 1 ·


I just have a problem with one group of aberrant sexual behaviorists that are tying to use gov to force me and mine to embrace and validate a very unhealthy and harmful aberrant sexual behavior, through the gov schools and civil and governmental institutions.

Same-sex marriage is not about civil rights. It’s about validation and social respect. It's a radical attempt at civil engineering using government muscle to strong-arm the people into accommodating a lifestyle many find deeply offensive, contrary to nature and socially destructive. Once same-sex marriage becomes law, no one will be able to opt out … it's the LAW! Wednesday at 12:34pm · Like · 1

KR .. This is Pete Kaliner's wall isn't it? So where's Pete? Wednesday at 12:36pm · Like





I debate passionately and with vigor. I'm tired of this political correct nonsense that passes for debate. If one can't stand the heat, then get out of kitchen.

You never explained, because I listened to the podcast again. And if your speaking about getting gov out of marriage, then I've already addressed that argument in my previous post ... No response on that ether?

My argument is solid, as you refuse to refute the points I've made. Because you can't. As you've said before on your show, you're all over those on FB, posting rebuttals to those who espouse policies you don't agree with. But on my arguments, it's ... Cricket, Cricket, Cricket.

I will give no quarter when it comes to the influences on my family and the ever coarsening and degrading of the American culture . By those who deliberately ignore the path this nation on and who confuse license for liberty. Wednesday at 2:29pm · Like · 1


Which brings us to the lessons of the Roman Empire. In the book, The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, we see that civilizations demise by one of those thousand cuts. Through the rampant decline of a moral society and culture. Homosexuality being one of those aberrant sexual behaviors that hastened the decline.

No, these "so called" lovers of liberty and freedom are short sighted in the extreme ... and myopic ... lacking in discernment and long-range perspectives. To the detriment in the long term of the very liberty, freedom and civilization they proclaim to love.

And you know the old saying? ... "Those who ignore history, are destined to repeat it."

I see that very thing happening to America, because of the Marxist Left, and many of these so called "true conservatives" and Libertarians like John Hood and Vinroot who have drunk the koolaid of the LGBTQ propaganda and embraced moral relativism. Wednesday at 2:45pm · Like · 1





K. you think an effective argument is referring to your personal barometer of "validation" or what you consider "social respect", this issue is about Discrimination....and you just don't get it. We should really move on from this thread Kathy. Good luck operating from a 1927 viewpoint in modern day 2012. I am sure we will meet again. Wednesday at 8:59pm · Like


..Andrew Sullivan,homosexual activist, author, editor, political commentator and blogger, writes ... “Including homosexuals within marriage would be a means of conferring the highest form of social approval imaginable.”

This is the real reason homosexual activists are relentlessly pushing to get the government to endorse same-sex marriage. Most don’t want to get “married,” but they do want the social approval that same-sex marriage will win them.

Maybe the statements and goals of homosexual activists, in their own words will be of interest to you. http://reformpartyofmichigan.homestead.com/files/Do_Homosexuals_Really_Want_The_Right_To_Marry.htm

In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda Along with stats from a survey of 2500 practicing homosexuals in "Out Magazine" http://www.forthechildreninc.com/issues/homosexuality/TheAgenda/InTheirOwnWords.html

What you don't get it is the refusal to acknowledge the very fluid and transitory nature of LGBTQ's sexual behavior. You've drunk the koolaid and propaganda of equating race with a mutable sexual behavior. Which is insulting to many people of color.

No aberrant, and mutable sexual behavior should ever trump the First Amendment and the right of conscience.

Demolishing the idea that 'there's no such thing as an ex gay' http://treesforlunch.blogspot.com/2011/12/demolishing-idea-that-theres-no-such.html

Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) http://pfox.org/about_us.html

Former homosexual Greg Quinlan testifies before the Maryland hearing on same-sex marriage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II8BPZ-3aIE Do Homosexuals Really Want The Right To Marry reformpartyofmichigan.homestead.com In their own words: Homosexual activists reveal their real agenda. Homosexuals ...See More 22 hours ago · Like ·

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALIN ER] Unable is not the same as unwilling. The juice is not worth the squeeze, Kathy. 15 hours ago · Like

KR ... Wow! The whole thread of the Butler debate is gone from the WWNC FB page, or at least I can't find it ... Now wonder why? Was someone OFFENDED by a different point of view, or opinion? I guess the next thing to do is ban me from posting here and there. Cause whatever you do, don't let people see the other side of the story, or another viewpoint so they can make up their on mind. The way to combat speech one disagrees with is for more and more speech. Guess that doesn't work here.

And my last post on the thread over their was about standing on principle and freedom of speech. And here's a prime example of fearing to hear or see another point of view.

Pete is saying, more or less, that I wasn't worth his time to respond. His exact quote was "the juice wasn't worth the squeeze."

So here is my response, which I would have posted earlier if I wasn't having problems with my DSL.

You know that's very convenient Pete. You know you're on the wrong side of this issue. But I'm sure when one has embraced and propagated the fallacious propaganda of radical homosexual activists, it would be very difficult to turn that around after all this time. Because if you did, whyyy you would might be called a bigot or a hater, or a homophobe Standing on principles of freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and the First Amendment is not popular when it butts up against an aberrant mutable sexual behavior. As is seen on the WWNC FB page. My point is made by the scrubbing of the whole thread. 11 hours ago · Like

KR ... I can respect the humanity of a person without being forced to validate, sanction and endorse their sexual predilections, and behaviors through fore of gov. Through public schools, taxpayer-funded programs like charities and non-profits, workplaces and even faith-based organizations that receive public dollars. It will be a new legal and social norm and the law is going to enforce this new social and legal norm on people.

While I feel compassion for people caught up in this compulsion, and understand their desire for societal acceptance, and stamp of approval. Some compulsive behaviors are unhealthy, and lead to a shortened life span ... and therefore should not be encouraged. Should government endorse a behavior that is harmful to those practicing it, and in a larger context to society? And especially one that is not immutable. Equating the behavior of homosexuality with race is one of the propaganda tools used to deceive the masses. Speak about rights, and equality, like LGBTQs are denied living their life the way they wish. And not about the documented unhealthy sexual practice engaged in. 11 hours ago · Like

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] The thread is still here, Kathy. You just posted on it. 11 hours ago · Unlike · 1

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] The reason that there is no point in debating you on this is because your ideas are rooted in faith. There is nothing to be said to counter faith. It's why it's called faith. It's like debating abortion... you don't change anyone's mind and it just degenerates into name-calling and nastiness. But alienating freedom-loving people because they don't want the force of government to be applied in ANY fashion in marriage, is not a good way to build alliances for other battles where your goals might be the same. 11 hours ago · Like

KR ... A little educational information The 1972 Gay Rights Platform Platform created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention held in Chicago in 1972 http://www.article8.org/docs/general/platform.htm

After the Ball, by Kirk and Madsen Putting strategies to work: the homosexual propaganda campaign in America's media http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm Platform article8.org In February 1972 the National Coalition of Gay Organizations met at the Armitag...See More 11 hours ago · Like ·

KR ... Well thank you! Sincerely! Wonder where it's at on the site? 11 hours ago · Like

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] Not sure. The FB timeline thing is pretty bad. Stuff gets moved around beyond our control, and I think each user sees different things on the timelines. Not sure why. 11 hours ago · Like

KR.... Now Pete, have I quoted Scripture? But like I said, it's another convenient stance. My opposition is the peddling of an unhealthy aberrant sexual practice to our children as normal healthy and without harmful effects. That is my opposition. Just as I would oppose the propagation of promiscuity or adultery as a healthy and acceptable behavior held up to kids as a healthy and appropriate sexual behavior. That's what's going on! This fallacious propaganda by radical homosexuals is deceiving and deadly. And I will have none of it!

Getting gov out of marriage is not going to happen anytime soon. And you know it. So we have to work with the situation we're in. And that means not straddling the fence anymore. Either you think this sexual behavior is a healthy, and normal sexual practice that should be promoted to our kids as something healthy and beneficial ... and that some kids might want to experiment with, or you don't.

Guess truth can be alienating and uncomfortable? You know what they say, " The truth will set you free, but it will make you angry first." Sorry if I've made you angry. My goal was enlightenment, though tough love. As I agree with your positions on most other issues. But I've grown tried of pussyfooting around with this PC pablum for fear of offending and alienating. I'm done with that!

This nation is in a war for it's very soul and we have no time to sooth easily hurt feelings because they can't handle the truth.

So go vote against the marriage amendment. you'll be helping to add another cut to the death of a thousand cuts in bringing this nation to it's knees. History has proven that.

Have a good day! 10 hours ago · Like

KR ... I posted earlier on the Pete Kaliner site. Not on the WWNC site. It's very hard to find on the WWNC site. 10 hours ago · Like

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] Kathy, faith is not religion, nor is it scripture. Your faith tells you that certain sexual behaviors are deviant. People who engage in those behaviors, obviously, disagree. You calling them deviants doesn't convince them otherwise. All sexual interactions carry risk, K. Surely you're not suggesting that kissing is deviant behavior, even though it spreads herpes (cold sores).

Also, the idea that my stance is "convenient" is laughable. In case you haven't noticed, I have spents quite a bit of my life now responding to you about the topic. Do you REALLY think it's easy and convenient to have my position as a host on WWNC? lol

But this is why I said.. the juice is not worth the squeeze. You assume I support teaching sex ed in classes. You assume my position necessitates support of a more radical agenda. As I said yesterday - the way to fight the indoctrination efforts is to break the government monopoly on schools. You say I should accept that things are the way they are, and I should focus on gay marriage.

And while you castigate me, you push me away from EVER wanting to agree with you on anything. 10 hours ago · Like

KR ... Never called them deviants ... Look back thorugh the thread, you'll not find the word "deviant" anywhere in my posts ... you're putting words in my mouth ...

Why is it so hard to acknowledge that certain behaviors are harmful, and should not be encouraged. Promiscuity is rampant, (though it's the standard practice of MSM.) And I can give you the medical stats links to prove it. But we know that promiscuous behavior is not healthy or beneficial, and should not be promoted by gov.

As to the kissing ... well, after you know you may contract a disease, or spread a disease by your behavior, what's the local action to take? Should we encourage kids to continue the behavior because it might offend some?

Never said you should accept the way things are ... I said "we" who are in opposition to this issue have to work with what "we" have ... You can show your opposition to gov being involved in marriage by abstaining from voting one way or the other. That's a true protest of the status quo. Cause when you vote one way or the other, you're voting to keep gov involved in marriage.

Never said you should focus on same-sex marriage.

And if your ox is being gored, then it's not me that you should agree with, it's the facts presented to you. Either these medical facts are true or their not. Either this is a healthy and beneficial sexual behavior or it's not.

You ignore what's before your own eyes and become angry at the messenger. Like I said, sorry if I made you upset. Have I inflicted severe punishment on you? Don't think so ... I'm just trying to open people's eyes that have drunk the koolaid of the radical homosexual cabal.

If you hate me for presenting you with information that might upset the paradigm that has so carefully been crafted by radical homosexuals like Kirk and Madsen, Dan Savage and Andrew Sullivan then I regret it. But it doesn't make the information untrue. And if one turns their face away from what is upsetting and refutes the popular narrative, then it's really not me one has a problem with. It's the disturbing facts.

And let me be clear ... I have extended family members that I love greatly who say they are homosexual, but I will not affirm their sexual behavior any more than I would affirm their promiscuity or adultery. And I don't think we should have gov forcing folks to do that. 9 hours ago · Like

News Radio 570 WWNC ‎[PETE KALINER] Angry? Upset? You've illicited no such reaction in me. Also, I've not misquoted you. 8 hours ago · Like

KR ... Did I use the word Deviant ? Don't think so, as I NEVER, EVER use that word. Aberrant means different.

Not angry? Seemed so to me. But that's neither here, nor there ...

So we have peace? Even though you're reluctant to EVER agree with me on anything? Just Ask'n?

But I must inform you, that will not keep me from disagreeing on whatever issue, with anyone ... If I disagree, I will passionately, and with vigor defend my position. I love free, and open and vigorous debate. 6 hours ago · Like

KR ... Guess peace is not in the making. Oh well!

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GLENN BECK ON HOMOSEXUALITY

I can respect the humanity of a person without being forced to validate, sanction and endorse their sexual predilections, and behaviors. While I feel compassion for people caught up in this compulsion, and understand their desire for societal acceptance, and stamp of approval. Some compulsive behaviors are unhealthy, and lead to a shortened life span and therefore should not be encouraged. Should government endorse a behavior that is harmful to those practicing it, and in a larger context to society? And especially one that is not immutable. Equating the behavior of homosexuality with race is insulting to a multitude of people of color.

All of media is doing what Daniel Patrick Moynihan called ... "Defining deviancy down.

Moynihan was an intellectual trailblazer. In 1993, he introduced the concept of "Defining deviancy down." In a widely quoted article, he wrote that each generation adjusts to growth in antisocial and secxual behavior by regularly redefining deviancy and, in effect, pretending nothing is getting worse.

As he summarized it in the language of political science: "I proffer the thesis that, over the past generation … the amount of deviant behavior in American society has increased beyond the levels the community can ‘afford to recognize’ and that, accordingly, we have been re-defining deviancy so as to exempt much conduct previously stigmatized, and also quietly raising the ‘normal’ level in categories where behavior is now abnormal by any earlier standard."

It's none of my business what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, but it most certainly is my business when it comes to who influences my kids ... whats done on the public streets, in the public schools, and public institutions ... just who is pushing their sexuality in peoples faces?

I will treat everyone with respect, but being forced to validate an aberrant sexual behavior is another matter. No one should be forced to validate anyone elses aberrant private sexual appetite. There's a reason it's called "PRIVATE LIFE."

Political Correctness will kill us ... ether through extreme, radical toleration, or an inner moral rot that helped bring the Roman Empire down. America is repeating history, with the same results.